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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • A C Young,

    The evidence appears to be this:

    http://static.stuff.co.nz/files/collinsemail.pdf

    Which is perfectly horrific if true.

    Wellington • Since Feb 2011 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    TV3 carries a live press conference with John Key, on Collins' resignation.

    This replaces the scheduled programme ... ' Would I lie to you? '.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to simon g,

    This replaces the scheduled programme … ’ Would I lie to you? ’.

    Brilliant!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    The whiskey will taste very, very, very good to Winston Peters tonight.

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    So there I was, looking forward to "Would I lie to You" when up pops John Jey. Damn it Julie Christie, I thought, you and your reality TV shows.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Ahem, Key, Collins, perhaps you should read a dictionary sometime.

    Refute
    rɪˈfjuːt
    verb
    prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
    “these claims have not been convincingly refuted”
    Ya can't just say it.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart,

    Spin Doctor shamanism seems to hold that if you repeat something often enough it will magically become true, (or enough people will think it is) like the repetitive claims from Key that most of the material in the book has been disproved- show us proof Mr Key.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Refute is constantly being used instead of deny- perhaps on spin doctor advice

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The MP's resignation came after the prime minister's office was given an email anonymously yesterday.

    The same story provides some (sketchy) information about the hacker.

    Vigilante hacker Rawshark is the man who hacked Slater's emails then gave them to Nicky Hager ​.​

    Since the book​ Dirty Politics release Rawshark has also been parcelling out caches of emails to media.

    Fairfax's Sunday Star Times newspaper had flagged it ​was due to print a story about the emails tomorrow.

    The emails detail a covert public relations campaign including attacks on the credibility of the SFO and Financial Markets Authority.

    Fellow blogger Odgers was working in concert with Slater. Slater and Odgers declined to answer questions.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    I was wondering why the hacker had suddenly gone quiet for a week... Chris Keall in the NBR answers that question.

    NBR understands there's worse to come. A source close to the action says the next Whaledump, expected tomorrow, will be a full Facebook messaging exchange between Mr Slater and Ms Collins.

    This comment from Mathew Hooton is *interesting*.

    "National party supporters will be absolutely thrilled that John Key looks fully priminsterial (sic) again for the first time since August 15," Mr Hooton said this afternoon.

    "But unfortunately it seems Mr Key only knows the tip of the iceberg about what has been going on under his nose."

    Is he saying that Key has been incompetent rather than complicit?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to Alfie,

    yes sirree, that nice Mr Key would never have been part of such nasty politics, he mustn't have known, just like Ms Collins can't have known someone approached Winnie on her behalf behind her back- must be a left wing smear campaign.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart,

    The country has been tolerating apparent incompetence (the most generous interpretation) for a long time now.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Angela Hart,

    The country has been tolerating apparent incompetence...

    "We have maintained a silence closely resembling stupidity!"

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The Slater email which finally dealt to Collins suggests the Herald should be having harsh words with Jared Savage.

    I am maintaining daily communications with Jared Savage at the Herald and he is passing information directly to me that the Herald can't run and so are feeding me to run on the blog.

    Really? Has journalism really sunk that low in our country?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Alfie,

    Yes, and now the Heralds editor has had to write a disclaimer about how they talk to 'everyone'. Savage was clearly 'laundering' stories through Whaleoil, the stinky ones that the fragrant Herald couldn't run went to Slater and then Savage and O'Sullivan could report that the shit was being handled by a blog and the poo was stripped of any pesky legal limitations imposed by the Heralds lawyers.
    The Herald is well smeared in 'night soil'.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Alfie,

    The Slater email which finally dealt to Collins suggests the Herald should be having harsh words with Jared Savage.

    What do you reckon then?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks,

    In this interview...

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/listen-on-demand/audio/1146583625-cameron-slater--judith-collins-victim-of-conspiracy

    ... Slater pretty much gives away that Cathy Odgers is the redacted name in the email. Apparently the PM gave some indication that the redaction was to protect his source. That suggests Cathy and Cam might be having a falling out sometime soon, yeah?

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1165 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    They are all, "That's just how everyone does it so that's ok" The harold is leaping around trying to be "Breaking News" at the same time defending those implicated . Nats are all "what a smear refute" at the same time finding their scape goat whist Collin's office confirms all contact. Slug and Odgers are buddy buddy so they will back each other up by being proud of their "embellishment" 'cause ya know it's all normal like an' that's what friends that are kids of ex Nat MPs do. Bit Bart like really ."It wasn't me it was like that when I got there". Even the journos are now saying that. Fran O' should feel ashamed but she wont. Pfft.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Bit Bart like really

    My favourite Bart quote is most appropriate for Collins as she works through her denial phase.

    I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove a thing.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • CJM,

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Angela Hart,

    Be nice if a journalist asked them for the evidence that refutes the allegation
    and kept asking
    until the illiterates admitted that they meant they were deny without any proof at all

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4460 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Description.

    The core meaning of refute is ‘prove a statement or theory to be wrong’, as in attempts to refute Einstein’s theory. In the second half of the 20th century a more general sense developed, meaning simply ‘deny’, as in I absolutely refute the charges made against me. Traditionalists object to this newer use as an unacceptable degradation of the language, but it is widely encountered.

    mid 16th century : from Latin refutare ‘repel, rebut’.

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/refute

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to mark taslov,

    Still don't like it . Dispute is good enough surely, it's the PM.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    There is little point in discussing the real meaning of words as language changes and so with it, so do meanings. For instance, the word “nice” used to mean idiot back in the 15 th century, trust me, its true but I suspect that nice Mr Key would repudiate that cromulantly.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Be nice if a journalist asked them for the evidence that refutes the allegationand kept asking

    If you concentrate when Gower has the PM attention , when others try to ask questions there is evidence of intelligent questions in the struggle to be heard but the PM ignores them. We think they are negligent but they are there. So it's a matter of pressing the likes of Gower who gets preference, all you twitter types.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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