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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • stephen clover, in reply to nzlemming,

    [Key] “anyone who knows Cameron Slater knows that he’s a force unto himself”.

    almost exactly what Farrar was claiming last week. These guys need better writers.

    Not only that, but they say it as if it excuses everything.

    Newsflash: it excuses not one damn thing.

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • kiwicmc, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The images show screen shots of Slater’s gmail account via a browser so he’s just managed to get the password from somewhere, maybe Cam uses the same one for things on his website… Obviously he hadn’t/hasn’t enabled the gmail two factor authentication which has been around since early 2011.

    Auckland, New Zealand • Since May 2008 • 88 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to nzlemming,

    [Key] “anyone who knows Cameron Slater knows that he’s a force unto himself”.

    Stephen Clover:

    it excuses not one damn thing.

    And it just sits up and begs for the followup question: “So, Mr. Key, are you saying that you know Cameron Slater well?”

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1940 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham,

    What's dissolving now Mr Prime Minister...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH,

    Now that the Herald has started verifying the claims in the book I expect Key will switch to "yes but so what?" mode.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    Yet another piece of fall out.

    Actually Hilary, probably one of the more significant pieces of fallout over this sorry affair.

    Many thanks for putting this up....it was a small but significant battle that some of us watched with interest, cheering from the sidelines.

    Gutted when it all went to shit.

    "The Principles Agreement established that only BSC members could tender for Government cleaning contracts. This is because our members commit to meet high standards, provide fair working conditions and pay cleaners above the minimum wage. "The implication in Mr Hager’s book is that Grant McLauchlan was bankrolling Carrick Graham and Cameron Slater to destroy an agreement that protected cleaners’ rights to fair pay for a fair day’s work under fair conditions."

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Richard Aston,

    Intriguing dynamic here , why does Key seem so reluctant to throw Collins to the dogs? He’s had more reasons to do that with Collins than he did with Williamson.

    I'd say it's because Collins is too important for him to walk the plank. If she did walk the plank, it's tantamount to Team Slater admitting defeat.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I'm wondering whether if National wind up reliant on NZF for support, Peters will insist on Joyce replacing Key as his price for C&S. It's the sort of stunt he would pull, and would enable him to go out truly claiming to be "kingmaker".

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Luke Williamson,

    Certainly don't rely on Winne to go left given the choice. He's a proven liar and will go with whoever offers the best deal.

    Warkworth • Since Oct 2007 • 297 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Andrew Geddis sums up the disgust felt by many of those who have read the Hagar book.

    I'm not going to take you through the cast of this tragedy in any detail, or explain exactly how they all fit together. The book does that for you. All I want to do here is give those of you who haven't managed (or won't be bothered) to read it some indication of why it matters beyond the specific questions of whether accessing a left-open computer system is a crime, or if Judith Collins was "just helping" when she gave a public servants name up for public humiliation, or if John Key's office expedited the release of some SIS information to someone ahead of someone else. Because I want to talk about the sorts of people who this book reveals for who they are, and what their participation in our politics means.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Graham,

    Steven Price writes about Dirty Politics - worth reading
    "As many of you know, I act for Nicky Hager. I vetted his book, Dirty Politics, and the three before that..."
    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=635

    h/t @paulbrislen via Twitter

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 206 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    Attachment

    the Hagar book.

    Alfie, this is a ‘Hagar’ book…

    and this is a ‘Hager’ book.

    ...in fact browse the 'Hagerographa' here

    : – )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to kiwicmc,

    The images show screen shots of Slater’s gmail account via a browser so he’s just managed to get the password from somewhere, maybe Cam uses the same one for things on his website... Obviously he hadn’t/hasn’t enabled the gmail two factor authentication which has been around since early 2011.

    On that note, if Cameron Slater never realised that his mailbox and possibly other systems had been intercepted until last week, is there any reason to believe that the same person hasn't continued to have access to his emails, and maybe even still does?

    If they're dripping out now, from the original source, there could be further and more recently occurring stuff which Hager hasn't referred to at all.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    and this is a ‘Hager’ book.

    Whoops... my bad!

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1437 posts Report Reply

  • Max Rose,

    The thing that strikes me the most is that even if the revelations themselves don't directly affect the votes of many New Zealanders, the mainstream political narrative has changed. Gower, the young gallery journalists, Espiner and Garner have shifted from backing winners ("National surging in the polls, comfortably in charge, Labour in disarray, blah blah...") to holding the government accountable with some forceful language. If this continues, the cheerleaders (Hosking, Henry et al) will seem more like outliers than just a part of the general journalistic spectrum.

    We've seen the welcome yet unfamiliar sight of Actual Political Journalism, leading to what looks, sounds and smells like the crumbling of Teflon.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2011 • 83 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Love the way that some commentators are now disclosing their interests before commenting. Maybe things will get more ethical now.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3226 posts Report Reply

  • Gregor Ronald, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Say the web front end went down, but the server and its OS stayed up. There are lots of ways that someone could gain access, depending on security at the server - and in many sites security is in need of updates and riddled with holes. You'd still need a database login, though - unless the data was in plain text.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 103 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to izogi,

    In Hager's final chapter he talks about the OIA and release of the way-old letter Cunliffe had written asking if Donghua Liu could have a timeframe for his immigration request. He describes it, but notes that it happened after the date of the emails he had access to so that although events certainly followed a very familiar pattern, he couldn't be sure the usual suspects were involved. That would suggest that there won't be emails after the DOS attack.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Full-interview-Judith-Collins-on-Aaron-Bhatnagar/tabid/1607/articleID/357338/Default.aspx

    She's running scared. Such body language. Can anyone identify the staffer who's recording the interview on her phone?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    Slater, to me, has become the face to the true "mind", (an illustration of the core thinking), of John Key and his cabinet.

    I haven't read the book and won't do it until this summer - the revelations and furore surrounding the book won't change my voting which won't be National - I would hope that swinging voters do not endorse this John Key National Government – they are really low and need to be gone. The boil needs to be lanced.

    The links to the summary and the opinions of others help in understanding the mess - so thanks.

    About 200 people attended the recent candidates debate in Epsom, yet on the same night a local primary school had a production and would have got well over 1,000. So the candidates really don’t know the electorate - NOT.

    Not that it matters.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls,

    We need to start a new meme, Filthy John Key

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    "At the end of the day"
    May I remind the subprime minister that... at the end of the day it is dark and cold and you are alone and naked and you find yourself back at school and everybody is laughing at you... then you wake up and and wonder what you did yesterday.
    Its ok, you can't recall. Eh?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Max Rose,

    Wellington • Since Sep 2011 • 83 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    How scary - a book no less - good to see the might of the written word.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX, in reply to Trevor Nicholls,

    John Key - the Master of Evil Muppets - the Evil Muppet Master.:

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

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