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  • Sacha,

    below the fold

    Craig, I thought you didn't subscribe any more?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, I thought you didn't subscribe any more?

    We don't -- but that story I mentioned ran months back, and someone left yesterday's Sunday News on the table of the cafe we had lunch at, after a butch shopping trip to the Albany Mitre 10 Mega. For light fittings, since you didn't ask.

    I'll still browse the website first thing in the morning, but that seldom takes up more than five minutes, and it's much cheaper in this time of Global Economic Crisis (tm). :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    It's OK, the phrase just jumped out when I'm used to perusing the non-creased version. At least that takes longer than the DomPost does.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Of course, this was the man who got face time on Three (and probably One) to opine that Antoine Dixon deserved to die, and it was a "win for his victims".

    Remembering one of"his victims" the P manufacturer, I wonder what McVicar would think of that person.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Remembering one of"his victims" the P manufacturer, I wonder what McVicar would think of that person.

    Who knows? McVicar's brain is that abyss Nietzsche banged on about -- gaze into it, it won't only gaze into you but become a metaphysical stalker.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    I'll still browse the website first thing in the morning, but that seldom takes up more than five minutes, and it's much cheaper in this time of Global Economic Crisis (tm). :)

    Cheaper still if you're running NoScript. ;D

    Hang on, I hope I haven't blown my cover...

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    perhaps Brian Rudman has been reading PAS?

    the Herald's own racist sewer must generate ooldes of ad revenue, eh? must be wonderful for the advertisers, for their ads to appear next to that bile. attracts the "target demographic", i'm sure...

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 645 posts Report Reply

  • Mark Harris,

    Hopefully, it's not just PAS readers with a spark of common sense, but sometimes you have to wonder...

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    DeepRed, less lucrative for them fer sure. You can selectively unblock certain sites like this one when you feel the love.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    perhaps Brian Rudman has been reading PAS?

    Perhaps. Of course, it's all very nice for Rudman to tut-tut at "the bile-filled and often racist support for the killer that erupted onto the Herald online 'your views'. It would have been a real profile in courage if Rudman had the testicular fortitude to point out that this shit doesn't "errupt" like a lahar or other natural event, but because someone decides to publish it. Or even (hope against hope) engage in a little honest self-criticism of his own organ's own (dare I say it) class-consciousness when it comes to reporting crime -- at least that perpetrated by while, middle-class, middle-aged people who look a lot like the Herald's readership demographic.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    If the Your Views spouters really want to practice what they preach, then why don't they grab some M16A3s and form a militia? Then the AOS would have a handy excuse to do a Waco on them.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Predictable responses in the Herald letters page today - many along the lines of "where were the parents?" and how if the Camerons had dobbed their son in for tagging this unpleasantness needn't have come to pass.

    I think I was most disgusted by one response to Pihema's mum saying she was "brutalised" by the killing: "What about all the people who have been brutalised by coming home and seeing her son's tag?"

    Christ.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    I wrote a note to Rudman thanking him and Tapu Misa, and pointing out that given how the Herald gives McVicar and Comesky such sympathetic coverage, and allows open slather on their forums, they are reaping as they have sowed.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I think I was most disgusted by one response to Pihema's mum saying she was "brutalised" by the killing: "What about all the people who have been brutalised by coming home and seeing her son's tag?"

    I'm aesthetically "brutalised" every time I look out of my living room window, only to have my eyeballs molested by the arse-ugly Sky Phallus. Can I go murder architect Gordon Moller now? Please...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    I wrote a note to Rudman thanking him and Tapu Misa, and pointing out that given how the Herald gives McVicar and Comesky such sympathetic coverage, and allows open slather on their forums, they are reaping as they have sowed.

    Oh, snaps! Please share the response, if you receive one.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    You pushed me over the edge, Craig :D

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    I'm aesthetically "brutalised" every time I look out of my living room window, only to have my eyeballs molested by the arse-ugly Sky Phallus. Can I go murder architect Gordon Moller now? Please...

    Rereading the letter, the author referred to Pihema's mother calling the killing "brutal and heartless" and responded: "How many people have had brutal and heartless feelings upon seeing her son's tag sprayed on their wall?" Revealing slip in grammar, IMO. Thank God we at least have Garth McVicar to defend those who act on their brutal and heartless impulses, amirite?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Rereading the letter, the author referred to Pihema's mother calling the killing "brutal and heartless" and responded: "How many people have had brutal and heartless feelings upon seeing her son's tag sprayed on their wall?"

    And the point is, Murderous Slag of Mission Bay? I thought the hallmark of a civilized society, operating under the rule of law, is that we punish the minority of people who don't mitigate or repress their "brutal and heartless feelings" into socially acceptable channels?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    I thought the hallmark of a civilized society, operating under the rule of law, is that we punish the minority of people who don't mitigate or repress their "brutal and heartless feelings" into socially acceptable channels?

    One of the keynotes of the Sensible Sentencing mindset, as far as I can tell, is that there's no sense that ordinary people might be led to commit crimes - there is ordinary Us, and there is criminal Them, and They are the ones we should defend ourselves against.

    Obviously this boundary makes fuck-all sense, but it appeals to a lot of people, and McVicar is always available to pop up in the media and pass judgment on who is or isn't entitled to stab someone to death.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson,

    ... is or isn't entitled to stab someone to death

    Or shoot them.

    It is interesting to compare the two cases, since one resulted in conviction, and the other with a not-guilty verdict.

    I'd say the major point of difference is that Emery had to chase the tagger in order to stab him, whereas Allen and his victim were still on the property when Allen shot him.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 618 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    quite amazing really.
    Allen was not being attacked by Collier.
    The report says Collier (the person killed) had walked back to his car.
    He was then shot through the chest from 10 feet away by Allen standing on the woolshed landing. how the fcuk is that self defence? Allen had been beaten up a few weeks earlier. apparently the jury thought that justified the killing, and that he was not guilty of any crime.

    looks like ruatoria mid-80s stuff, but maybe i don't know enough about the case to speculate...

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 645 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    I just got a nice response from Brian Rudman. I think it wouldn't be right to paste it here, but it would be good if people who approve of what he and Tapu Misa have had to say in the Herald this week could write and tell them so:

    Rudman.

    Misa.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    @Stephen Judd:

    done.

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 645 posts Report Reply

  • A S,

    Allen was not being attacked by Collier.
    The report says Collier (the person killed) had walked back to his car.
    He was then shot through the chest from 10 feet away by Allen standing on the woolshed landing. how the fcuk is that self defence? Allen had been beaten up a few weeks earlier. apparently the jury thought that justified the killing, and that he was not guilty of any crime.

    except you left out the bit where the dead man showed up early in the morning (after leaving his home in the middle of the night to drive to a remote farm), demanded money, then threatened to kill the guy who lived there, went back to his car and leaned over to grab something (which the farmer thought was a gun). Those facts add a whole lot of complexity, and when added to the previous assault, obviously they amounted to a reasonable case for self-defence that was accepted by the jury.

    There is bound to be more to it, but on those grounds a pretty reasonable case could be made for the farmer, in fearing that his life was in danger to take steps.

    Not a lot like the tagging case at all actually.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2007 • 269 posts Report Reply

  • stephen walker,

    and the only people who know if that is what actually happened is the guy who was killed and the guy who killed him.

    one-side story, no?

    there were no weapons...except for the one belonging to the killer...

    shoot first, ask questions later. sound really nice. jury liked it. end of story, sounds like.

    nagano • Since Nov 2006 • 645 posts Report Reply

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