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Hard News: Anatomy of a Shambles

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  • nzlemming,

    It was the reading that I was concerned about, yes. I'm thinking anything by the wretch should come with a health warning.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    Industries with low wage jobs
    1) Film
    2) Hospitality
    3) Tourism.

    There are plenty of possible additions to that brave new bullshit list, the workforces of which would dwarf the film industry. Like the burgeoning aged care industry. So, a modest proposal - let's convert our rest homes into primary production facilities. We'll catch up with Australia in no time, while supplying the world with dog tucker. That oughta gladden your miserable little heart eh Brendon.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Jonathan King,

    Clearly, you know nothing about the need to foster industry that provides high wage, high skill, jobs, and its the only way that this country is going to catch up with australia or win OECD pissing

    You would be exactly right about that. But I know a lot about how NZ film will never be able to suddenly turn around and pay a lot more money or offer some fantasy world version of 'job security' you seem have in mind.

    Since Sep 2010 • 185 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Just remember, oh best beloveds, that Brendon has now entered the phase of infuriating as many people as possible on PAS, so that we will respond to him with ever increasing invective until he can depart with "dignity" and say he was run out of PAS by class traitors who won't even engage civilly.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Brendon Mills - you could add quite a few other "industries with low wage jobs"

    Yes (hi Islander), there's friggin' heaps of us. In NZ, it's become known as "average" wage.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    Agricultural workers are a quite unusual one, they are actually pretty low paid when you look into the overall economics, which is very unusual for a male dominated industry.
    For the overall economy, the question is more one of is the sector an export (or import substitution) sector, and internal sector, or an import sector. In this respect the creative industries are very much for the good of the country. Now, people will generally only eek out an existence in the creative sphere, so the need to have motivations like the love of the craft and getting satisfaction from the work (which is generally not something ascribed to those on the killing room floor). A particular individual may well be able to be wealthier in the non-creative industries, but I say let them try to find their happiness where they can.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    of infuriating as many people as possible on PAS, so that we will respond to him with ever increasing invective

    Yes, but god, are we fucking good or what? He just can't win. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    A particular individual may well be able to be wealthier in the non-creative industries, but I say let them try to find their happiness where they can.

    Pretty much why I turned to IT in the mid-eighties and kept my theatrics largely in the amateur field. Doing what I loved when I loved to do it more than assuaged the pang of not doing it for money, because then I would have had to do stuff I really didn't want to do in order to pay the bills. Mind you, the environment is different now - there's more opportunity - there's also more competition, though. And I am old, father William, I am old. ;-)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • rodgerd,

    Nice, Brendon. Can you work something about the Templars and Freemasons in there as well?

    Brendon, you clearly know nothing about the film business

    He doesn't even know how ACC works for contractors, despite claiming to have been one.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Yes, but god, are we fucking good or what? He just can't win. :)

    Indeed, and I'd particularly like to congratulate the Women's XV for showing such restraint in the face of such gratuitous use of the term "chick". A model of decorum.

    (Actually, that's a dead giveaway that he's trolling)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    Oh, oh. Saw a showing of Freemasons at a funeral on Friday. I wondered who all the men in the red blazers were, and lo and behold, when one of the speakers asked all the freemasons to stand up, they did. And by god, there were alot of them. Bear in mind, we were in St Mary's in Parnell which seats a shitload of people. And I would say about 40 men stood up. Very scary.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    The Masons have a hall on Te Moana Road here in Waikane. On Tuesday nights, cars are parked for about 500 metres in all directions...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    The Mason's are wherever you may find them. they get around. I used to work in Mason's Ave and I could never find the end of the road. Spooky.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Jaymax,

    Yes, that really bothered me this morn when I read that twerp Paul Holmes' crap. "Left filth... " iirc.

    I posted a very annoyed comment on that article - didn't get published, probably a bit too pointy. What pissed me off most was his deliberate and recurring use of 'Actors' as though every single actor in the country is incredibly gullible.

    However, in the interests of accuracy: The 'filth' term was specifically about a certain Australian, both times it's used. However 'left-wing' (and 'bolshy') was used as a pejorative. It's used twice, the second time: "the Australian filth".

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10682616

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    lo and behold, when one of the speakers asked all the freemasons to stand up, they did. And by god, there were alot of them. Bear in mind, we were in St Mary's in Parnell which seats a shitload of people. And I would say about 40 men stood up.

    Maybe shitload is the proper collective noun for masons.
    Like a sounder of swine, or a culture of bacteria.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Or a wunch of bankers...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Really you guys remind me of the Tea Party protesters in the states last year.

    Yeah, because imaginary "death panels" is exactly the same as thinking maybe (just maybe) state houses shouldn't be "for life" but given to folks who meet Housing New Zealand's definition of "severe need". You've actually got to be living in conditions you'd be prosecuted for keeping animals in to meet that definition.

    I can hear a trio of goats approaching your bridge, don't keep them waiting.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Cox,

    @ Graham (way back there). In regard to the 'attacking peter Jackson thing'. I was referring purely to the post of your made before mine (ie the one attacking Peter Jackson).

    Aside from that everything else you're saying in that follow up post seems perfectly reasonable in terms of the fact that this thing should have been sorted out a long time ago. I agree completely. But honestly, if MEAA/AE were attempting to engage in collective bargaining agreements with local productions it's rather hard to feel terribly much sympathy for the plight of AE in this or previous actions. And looking at the way this Hobbit conflict has played out, I think most people are assuming the mistakes made here were the same mistakes made previously.

    Apparently, we're supposed to be getting a bunch of documents on that issue soon.

    Though, obviously if SPADA have been deliberately avoiding working with AE then they're as much to blame as anyone. The real story, as I'm understanding it from you, is that SPADA were attempting to engage in the pink book negotiations, but AE wanted something that was a legally binding set of conditions. And that's why the meetings did not happen.

    Have I got that about right?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 312 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    I think 'wunch of bankers' is the phrase of the PAS year...

    (A sounder of swine is one of my favourite collective nouns. Read "The Whole Hog" (Lyall Watson) for why-)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX,

    Getting back to the shambles and reviewing once more the "docs" and the time line and what is credible the problem is created by the imposition of the blacklist (The Cave Troll Ultimatum) – it bought pre production to a halt.

    The fear Warner’s have is over the unsettling behaviour of MEAA(NZ)I in issuing the Cave Troll Ultimatum and the role of the Australian parent and in particular Simon Whip.

    It is a fair assumption that a prime reason for the Hobbit being targeted in the unique way it has, is the matter of residuals that were to be paid and getting control over these – which is what the MEAA do in Oz.

    It would worth seeing the meeting notes, resolutions or documents between CTU, NZEA- MEAA(NZ)I and the MEAA Oz on the matter of the residuals, capitation, and the commission rates and per capita charge involved – what was likely to be divided up and between whom.

    That info should be made available and disclosed to any actor or tech going to work in the industry or this project so that they can make a choice as to who represents them.

    In my view it would be best if residuals were handled independently of the unions – in that they don’t manage them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    The Masons have a hall on Te Moana Road here in Waikane. On Tuesday nights, cars are parked for about 500 metres in all directions...

    But what a union they make! All for one, one for all, look after their own, support scholarship for non masons, as well.

    P.S. And there is nothing in the name. My father (bless his pinnie) yes; me, no.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    PS After Labour Day off it's good to see the conversation is still rumbling......

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Cox,

    Dexter, honestly, the CTU didn't have a clue about this until it blew up in their faces, and they learned about it in the papers. Nor did the NZWG or any of the other industry unions. You're genuinely just wandering off into the unhealthy realms of conspiracy theory.

    In my view it would be best if residuals were handled independently of the unions – in that they don’t manage them.

    I'm sorry but the people who earned them (ie the membership) should be handling the residuals. They do that through their union.

    Overseas, industry 'collecting societies' are notoriously poor at serving the people they're supposed to be working for. Ultimately, Unions are democratic institutions that directly responsible, and controlled by their members. Any other system is plainly more open to corruption.

    As the saying goes: democracy is the worst political system, except for all the others.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 312 posts Report Reply

  • rodgerd,

    Ultimately, Unions are democratic institutions responsible directly to their members.

    Well, except the documents dug up here would appear to indicate that AE isn't.

    But certainly, in principle, I'd agree for the most part.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 512 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    I think 'wunch of bankers' is the phrase of the PAS year...

    Amen to that.

    "The Whole Hog" (Lyall Watson)

    And to that. The last from the late great. Wonderful book.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

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