Hard News: A Weird Day in the Hood
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Spot on, Don. Not fair to change the rules in mid-stream.
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Why?
Because there's no precedent for this type of incident, but the IPCA is still expected to make the decision on how to deal with it. I suggest that a court should be the body that decides if the accidental killing of a bystander is a breach or not.
Whatever the case, the report is going to be quite a read - they do tend towards a certain fascinating thoroughness.
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Well, if we're after something everyone can disagree with, Danyl links to Cactus Kate's thoughts on the matter.
What he quotes is not the half of it.
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Goodness.
I like the comment from Lucy, though:
“assuming of course the Policeman who shot him was a man”
Maybe she meant to write ‘white man’ here? The rest of it is so goddamn crazy its hard to tell.
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Because there's no precedent for this type of incident,
What, for police killing someone as they were doing their job? Don't tell me that has no precedence.
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Well, if we're after something everyone can disagree with, Danyl links to Cactus Kate's thoughts on the matter.
If you think you're going to get universal (dis)agreement on anything with this crowd, you're out of your mind. ;)
Incidentally "thoughts" is pretty generous of you.
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If you think you're going to get universal (dis)agreement on anythingwith this crowd, you're out of your mind. ;)
Yes, I made the mistake of linking to something I thought everybody would agree with the other week. Nobody did.
Regarding Cactus Kate's comments, one has to say... wow.
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What, for police killing someone as they were doing their job? Don't tell me that has no precedence.
I'm sure they've killed a bunch with car crashes and such, but yes it's unprecedented to shoot Innocent Bystander to death while trying to shoot Criminal Nutter.
And for some strange reason use of firearms tends to be treated much more seriously than use of cars.
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Regarding Cactus Kate's comments, one has to say... wow.
I can't say I know anything about her, and hadn't visited her site before clicking through your link - but it seems she probably has a similar audience to DPF's, my solution to the problem is to use RSS and never visit the site for fear of ever being tempted to click through "because it can't really have been as bad as I remember".
(I actually like David - though I disagree with a lot of his politics - but I find his community to be quite repellant.)
Not like this place, where there aren't too many screaming shitcocks. People can seem obtuse, but I think that's just because we're all clever buggers arguing subtle points. But then I would think that.
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I'm sure they've killed a bunch with car crashes and such, but yes it's unprecedented to shoot Innocent Bystander to death while trying to shoot Criminal Nutter.
Pretty much the same principle though.
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Pretty much the same principle though.
You might be right.
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It seems obvious that a clear picture of events needs to be established by the investigations before anybody talks about a prosecution.
What! A careful consideration of evidence before coming to a conclusion? Are you mad!
Well that exchange just about sums it up for me.
And the New Zealand MSM (that makes them sound grander than they are) made the usual hash of it all.
And never ever listen to RadioLive when something like this happens. -
Why wait for something like this to happen?
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Why wait for something like this to happen?
<cough> Radio Live is really good sometimes. 5-6pm, Saturdays for example ...
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But are you doing talkback?
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But are you doing talkback?
In Hell.
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In Hell.
Relief.
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I kind of feel bad for saying that now. There's no reason a radio programme where people call in to share their experiences can't be good. Gordon Dryden did it 30 years ago. Unfortunately, things have slipped a bit since.
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Radio Live is really good sometimes
Yep its the only radio station Ive heard Chris Knox on recently.
The Xmas show was fun. -
I kind of feel bad for saying that now. There's no reason a radio programme where people call in to share their experiences can't be good. Gordon Dryden did it 30 years ago. Unfortunately, things have slipped a bit since.
Now that you say that, one of the things Justine and I missed more keenly when we came to New Zealand was Radio Popolare, a progressive radio station that was pretty much always on at our house. The morning was 80% talkback and it was great. Still is.
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Gordon Dryden did it 30 years ago. Unfortunately, things have slipped a bit since.
Like so much else, it's the curse of a small country. Only so many ears to go around, and everyone's done the same marketing course. Not that I dislike variety, but you have to wonder just how much value deregulation and "competition" have given us.
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I seem to remember BFM talkback from the early 90s being OK. Giles someone. Not a format that I liked at all, but I've heard so much worse since then that it seems positively excellent in my fading memory.
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Not that I dislike variety, but you have to wonder just how much value deregulation and "competition" have given us.
Wash your mouth out! The market is our saviour and brings only sunshine, butterflies and ponies!
And now to return you to our non-parallel-universe's programming...
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Giles someone.
Timothy Giles. Bloody great show.
Full disclosure: Timothy is one of my favourite ever drinking mates.
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I refuse to listen to commercial talkback on stations like ZB and radio live as long as fascists and cretins like Leighton Smith and Michael laws are employed by them, so I was left with the cricket on Radio Sport and downloaded TV shows.
However, due to the God awful drivel served up by Radio NZ over January I was driven from the airwaves. Simon Morris might be a brilliant film critic, but his afternoon show plumbed new depths of muscial banality. It was literally unlistenable for hours at a time. The only people who appeared to having any fun were him and his mates, who seemed to revel in a month long orgy of bad covers and obscure rubbish bands from their youth.
memo to RNZ: Most people are not interested in listening to middle aged men wallowing through the nostalgic deitritus of their salad days.
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