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Envirologue: Swamp Monsters – the Looting of Northland’s Sunken Assets

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  • Rosemary McDonald,

    And now, on Natrad, Pictures!!!!

    Clearly showing damage done by a digger….

    OTOH, could be the exit hole of an Alien….

    I have followed this closely through msm, and so far there I’ve seen about seven different accounts from ‘locals’ and ‘experts’.

    Most interesting were the ones from the first few days, a couple of which appear to have disappeared into cyber oblvion.

    Funny that.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Alfie,

    This is going to get very, very interesting.

    Just as is this;

    https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/09/22/a-story-of-two-attorneys-general/

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    A win!!!

    Well done Fiona and team.

    A table top, which was not a product in its own right, could not be exported and logs with surface carving were unlikely to meet the definition, the court ruled.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Nah. It seems that Te Uru Rākau -- the Ministry for Primary Industry's forestry arm -- gets to decide what is art and what’s a just a great hunk of kauri. The same people who have been rubber stamping illegal kauri exports for years are still running the show.

    Log is in the eye of the beholder.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1381 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Alfie,

    That is a swamp kauri log with crap art on the outside of it.

    The actual log isn’t art. If it was permanently loaned to a New Zealand art gallery it might make the folk art category, as some sort of amateur attempt. It’s all about context.

    I’m prepared to stand up in court and testify to that, as a well known crappy art expert.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to steven crawford,

    Even the expert experts struggled...

    Both experts pointed to the fluidity of definitions of art and the wide range of activity, material and outcome that can be recognised as constituting art, in a curatorial view. Neither felt it would be possible to provide a firm set of guidelines for confirming an objects status as a genuine art objects.

    (p12 of the 50 page decision. )

    However,credit where credit is due, Kaihu Kauri do a hell of a lot more than simply titivating big logs.....there's some really nice stuff.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    Even the expert experts struggled…

    Again, context is important. A proper definition of art isn't waffly and fluid. A real expert would make a convincing academic argument ether way.

    ‘I feel I don’t know if it’s possible to confirm an objects status as genuine art’, isn’t an expert opinion.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    In addition, the following factors were suggested as useful in determining an overall assessment:
    - Provenance: Who made it, where are they from, what is their background (particularly in
    this type of endeavour)?
    - Artistic merit What degree of artistic or technical care, skill and intent is shown?
    - Intent What is the artists stated narrative and meaning for the mrk?

    So in order to call a swamp kauri log – which is intended for exported – a piece of art, it needs to have different depth of meaning than another art object which is intended for a culturally different purpose. A piece a driftwood placed in an art gallery could be considered art, because-context. A mammoth swamp kauri log with an export value of tens of thousands of dollars, is already heavy loaded with its own meaning. That is to sell mammoth swamp kauri log wood for ship loads of money. The already loaded with cultural meaning; it’s been all over the news, is now a sculptural component. Thats understood by people who practice in the object art genre and absolutely needs to be accounted for in the artists summery of intent. Other wise its ill-conceived art; not worthy to be called art, in context with its intended purpose.

    Context, it’s all about context.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

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